Beware: Site-wide links are bad for your new blog

This has been a widely debated topic in the Search Engine world with a lot of people taking either sides. Buying links is accepted by all as taboo, but there are a lot of people who believe that linking to other sites in their own portfolio is fine. If you are one of them who’s just done it recently, hurry up and remove them before Google indexes the site where you’ve placed the link!

Why, you ask? For the simple reason that I was on the receiving end of a partial penalty from Google for doing so. The links were that of a new website that I was developing, linked to from a well-established website of mine. The website that linked out is an authority site with all its pages having been indexed by Google, so the bad neighbourhood theory doesn’t apply here.

The Experience

It was rather harrowing as I didn’t know what caused the sudden disappearance of the site from the first result of Google to the 312th for my primary keywords (If you are wondering how I managed to get to the top spot although it was a new site, the area was very niche when I started out - its a rather hot topic now). Since its common to make a lot of changes when you are developing a new site, I couldn’t pin-point a reason as to what caused the sudden disappearance from the first page of the SERPs. I was relieved about one thing though - I knew it was a partial penalty as my website was still in Google’s index. Although it was the 312th result, it still was there. (To check if your blog is in the Google’s index, you can use the “site:” operator - if I were to check if this blog was in the index, I would type “site:iamkarthik.com” without the quotes of course.)

Initially, I attributed it to the aggressive directory submissions that I had done and decided to wait for a few days before I did anything - just in case Google put me back up after the dust settled, but no - that wasn’t happening. I went from one SEO forum to the other in search of answers and yes, I tried the Google Webmaster Groups too. Nobody I asked seem to know why, and most speculated that the initial excellent results may have been due to what is termed as the Sandbox Effect. But I was sure that wasn’t the case since it was hardly a week since it had been launched - too early to get caught in the Sandbox!

The Dilemma

There were so many factors to consider, such as the changes to the content, title, meta data and what not! Trust me, I was really up against the wall and absolutely clueless as to what caused the sudden drop in rankings. To top it off, the site was sitting pretty on top of both MSN and Yahoo - just that together they sent me a grand total of one visitor during the entire week while Google sent me visitors many times over. Getting back into the good books of Google was hence, a necessity.

The Solution

That was about the time I learned of possible harmful effects of having site-wide links pointing to new websites from other sites. To be honest, I didn’t really buy into this theory since you couldn’t possibly control which sites linked to you and in which way. For Google to de-value a site based on external links seemed absurd to me. Yet, when I didn’t have much else left to do, I decided to give this a shot. I removed the site-wide link (it was a footer link, if it matters) from my established website that was pointing to the new one. I let Google index the older website after the link was removed and checked on my new site’s keywords once I knew Google had crawled my old site. When I say this, it really doesn’t do justice to the emotions that swept through me - my new site was back on the first page of Google SERPs, that too as the very first result!

It was a very pleasant surprise, but shocking to a certain extent too. It dispelled all my notions about the value of external links pointing to websites - with all due respects, Google’s algorithm seemed to have been written by a fifth grader for all I knew. To have let a single site-wide footer link make an entire site disappear into the depths of its SERPs seemed absymally poor logic to me. While I was slightly concerned about the implications of this unsettling revelation, I was nothing short of ecstatic that I had finally got back to my rightful place in the SERPs.

While some of you may think it was pure co-incidence that it could have got back at the same time that I removed the link, I beg to differ because I was determined to find out what had caused this effect in the first place and was about to undo every change that I’d made, one by one. I’m very confident that no other changes were made other than removing the site-wide footer link.

The Conclusion

Once I had gotten over the euphoria though, I did some rational thinking as to what may have caused the problem. One reason could be that the two sites were on the same server, since they weren’t even on the same IP. All through the saga though, the older, authority site that actually linked out to the newer one was not penalized at all! That leads me to believe that only newer sites may be affected by site-wide links. You also see a lot of reputed sites holding good although they are linked to by other sites by way of site-wide links either on the sidebar or on the footer. Either way, it was a rather sour experience that I don’t intend to see being repeated - not for me and not for my readers.

So, the bottomline is that if you have a new blog, do not link to it by way of site-wide links! Believe me, this is one exercise you don’t want happening to you - its just not worth the risk. If you want to be a bit evil, you could test it on a competitor’s site if its new! I’ve not tested this with any other sites though, so this could be a one-off case.

If you think this was caused due to some other factor and that I was way off my handle, I’d love to hear from you in the comments!


14 comments ↓

#1 Online Money on 10.03.07 at 4:16 am

Good interesting post.

#2 Karthik on 10.03.07 at 4:18 am

Thank you - and thanks for reading!

#3 Sumesh on 10.05.07 at 8:34 am

Thoughtful insight, I must say.

SEO experts have long denounced sitewide(or any other) links to own blogs, because it affects them in SEO(opposite of what owners hope).

I nofollow even sitewide links to my own subpages - is it a good thing or bad? Need your opinion(I care for PR too).

#4 Karthik on 10.05.07 at 9:53 am

Honestly, when I came across issues raised about site-wide links, like I mentioned in the post, they were only possible trouble-makers. And in such a situation, a link that you added in a half-casual way on one of your own sites would hardly be something you think about! But yes, there are SEOs who claim its bad and there are who think its ok too! lol

On the contrary, site-wide links on the same domain are perfectly fine. This blog has two site-wide links, one on the header and the footer. In fact, most websites, be it blogs or forums, have site-wide links by way of link-backs from their logos, so I would think its above board.

#5 Karthik on 10.05.07 at 10:00 am

As an after-thought, it is in fact recommended to link this way - it helps in internal linking and Google is known to love internal linking. A clear path back to the home page should certainly be appreciated.

#6 Sumesh on 10.06.07 at 12:01 am

Thanks for the heads-up, Karthik.

Now here’s another thought - see this
http://codex.wordpress.org/Usi ng_Permalinks#Tips_and_Tricks
It states that .html extension does not offer seo benefits. I know that they were not thinking along what you and I did, and they’re probably wrong too. Just give it a thought, OK? :D

Also, which plugin did you use for migrating permalinks? FUcoders permalink redirect? or some htaccess rules(I’d be interested in the latter).

#7 Sumesh on 10.06.07 at 12:08 am

Almost forgot - you can solve the multiple access of URLs by using permalink validator plugin - much easier than the whole migration. Also, WP 2.3 supports the same feature as the plugin. Lucky i knew this, i was about to change the urls ;)

And why is my name not on Top Commentators list? I believe this is my 4th comment, and still not on. Moderation issues? Please check.

#8 Karthik on 10.06.07 at 1:30 am

Yes, I’ve read that bit on the Codex, but I think they meant it more as “using html extensions doesn’t improve the rankings, you might just as well use php, or not at all.”

What I say is that, having the “/” at the end signifies a virtual folder which search engines think of as an extra level. (I’m not saying that the html adds SEO benefits, I’m saying that *not* having the trailing slash will provide SEO benefits. I added the html extension so that a layman doesn’t get confused and add an extra extension at the end! At the end of the day, it could well be that this counts for a very small factor, but every small bit helps IMHO!

I used the permalinks plugin before I upgraded to 2.3, but yes, it is now obsolete as 2.3 handles it.

The duplicate content issue was just one of the factors, yet another is the one about the second level - it really is your choice though! :)

Your name is right on top of the Top Commentators list, I only hold back first time commentators so you’d probably just had to refresh the page?

For the rest of the readers, these comments are applicable to my setting the permalinks post and not this one. Sumesh just mixed up the posts by accident, since there was no way to move comments in Worpdress from one post to another, these have to stay here. Sorry about the confusion!

#9 Sumesh on 10.07.07 at 7:06 pm

Thanks for the heads-up, Karthik. Stupid me - I should’ve posted this comment on the other post - maybe you should move them, you know, manually ;)

I know that they were not thinking along what you and I did, and they’re probably wrong too. Just give it a thought, OK? :D

I too thought the same way, just wanted your side of things :D

#10 Karthik on 10.07.07 at 10:55 pm

No problem Sumesh, everyone makes mistakes!
But I don’t think WP lets you move comments around posts? That’s ok really, I’m sure the other readers would be forgiving enough ;)

#11 Link Love Episode 5 on 10.27.07 at 9:33 pm

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#12 Pat B. Doyle on 11.07.07 at 5:11 am

It might have been the fact that the sitewide link was in the *footer* that hurt you more. I just think links from the footer could be seen as spammy by Google.

#13 Karthik on 11.07.07 at 11:53 pm

@Pat
Yes, possibly, but I would think Google is intelligent enough to detect site-wide links irrespective of where you place them. And I’m sure they are especially suspicious of new sites, since we’ve been having credit links on our footer to Wordpress and the theme author without getting them penalized.

Thanks for visiting!

#14 Robert S on 05.16.08 at 11:00 am

I have had the same problem before.

The problem is a NEW site YES.

The 2nd part of the problem is that BOTH sites were on the same server.

You could NOT harm a competitior unless you could host a website/s (that had sitewide links) on HIS (the same) server!

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